Dexter Season Finale (spoilers)

Im putting my money on the code being almost entirely her idea.
her manipulating harry for her own ends (possibly just to explor her theories)
which lead to his (suicide right? or am i misremembering how he died)

The idea for it was hers, but it seems like harry made all the rules on it with the way the code is set up, and she said that harry's police background was used for it, so harry was definitely a big part of it
I do like your theory of her using harry to explore her theories and it leading to his suicide though

You were all writing stuff in spoilers so thought I would join in. Spoilers spoilers spoilers. And this season is off to an ok start.

Ok so vogel probably isnt the killer since they showed her finding the his and hers gifts and there was no one else around
So all those theories were wrong
It still feels like she is manipulating dexter though

Also she did say he was perfect, so it was worded like you said


And the scene where deb was trying to confess was great

Pat1487 wrote:

Ok so vogel probably isnt the killer since they showed her finding the his and hers gifts and there was no one else around

Yeah, im glad its gonna be something different now. cuz now we're guessing as to who the actual killer is, and guessing what vogylsa's actual motives are.

pat1487 wrote:

It still feels like she is manipulating dexter though

yeah. maybe she knows who the killer is and why he/she's after her.
but something about it is super incriminating to her and she's hoping dexter will take care of it without figuring out all the details.
doesn't seem super likely tho.

pat1487 wrote:

And the scene where deb was trying to confess was great
haha, yeah
and debs bosses character amuses me. just because he's a little absurd

I figured deb would try to kill herself, it was pretty obvious (i actually thought she would be successful and that quiin would wonder if what she said was true and would put it together that dexter is a killer)

But i didnt think she would try to kill dexter with her
When they were in the car i thought she was going to jump out or something, it felt like something was going to happen there, and even though i knew something was going to happen i was still surprised when she did that
It makes perfect sense though

And the brain surgeon heard that dexter has a son, so he might find out who dexter is and find his son

the thing with Quin would'a been cool.
speaking of quin, i think its a bit amusing how almost every scene we get with jamie and quin involves them getting into a fight

also, i kept thinking Vogyl was just a figment of dexters mind, like Harry is, but once she got involved with debra that would be almost impossible.

AND ALSO, what the hell was Vogyl thinking giving deb tapes that included harry almost explicitly saying he was going to killhimself because of dexter.
deb said that she had "shown her some of the tapes" which implies that deb didn't even make it hard for her to hold them back, so she didn't even need to be sneaky.
BUT NO. she's just gonna show her the most emotionally damaging bit that she has.
Im calling shananigans. This is part of some devilish plan on Vogyls part

im pretty sure vogel didnt give deb the last tape, i think deb was looking about and found it herself. im kinda curious on wat they plan to do with masuka's daughter and im wondering if quinn is going to eventually realize that deb is telling the truth when she confessed, after he finds out how deb and dexter were "tragically" in an accident that occurred only 5 minutes after deb's "suicidal speech" to quinn

ive also been curious about the vase batista gave to dexter on episode 1 that dexter has next to his computer in his working station. my theory originally was that there was some sort of listening device trying to spy on dexter. dexter also said to him "laguerta died because she wouldnt leave things alone" earlier on too

She was talking to people in the department when she was first introduced so she cant be a figment of his mind

Like slayer said, vogel didnt give deb that tape, she looked in a draw and picked the one that had the latest date on it

I doubt it will be important to the main story, its probably there just to give masuka's character something to do

I doubt this too, if she had actually killed herself then yeah that probably would happen like i was saying, but he probably wont think of it like that since she didnt die

Harrison broke that vase when he was spinning on the chair in dexters office
I didnt notice a vase next to his computer, but if there is 1 i dont think it is the same 1 batista gave him, it seems unlikely that he would glue it back together, and if he did he wouldve found the bug


If batista does anything it would be to pull phone records for dexter and deb since he found that warrant when he was going through laguerta's things
Even though he ripped it up, if he finds out about debs confession he might actually think about it and may even be able to figure it out

If anyone figures it out i hope its batista

oh, she did go hunting for it didn't she.
good thing i mentioned it though. otherwise it would'a bugged me
i guess my shananigans call is retracted.

I wanted dexter's apprentice thing to go better. at least at the start, but maybe they'll make things go better now, depending on how pissed dexter is that he killed someone he knew.

Was i predicting that voygel was going to experiment with her theories and create others like dexter? cuz that seems what she's trying to do now. but i might have worded it differently before.

I like that they're making masuka more human by giving him father-daughter interactions though.
From the start i thought his character was a little abrasive to the flow of the episodes and his comedic effects were hit and miss. Now that he's a real person i like all his traits more.

Achilles.42 wrote:

I wanted dexter's apprentice thing to go better. at least at the start, but maybe they'll make things go better now, depending on how pissed dexter is that he killed someone he knew.

I think hes going to be pretty pissed, not that he cared about that girl, but just because zach did it in his apartment building
So im pretty sure the apprenticeship is over

Plus they already did the apprentice thing with miguel and, to some extent, lumen
I actually didnt like the apprentice thing this season since theyve done it before, still not really liking it since its still similar to what happened with miguel (where he became uncontrollable) but not as good

That said, im hoping that zach didnt kill her, im hoping it was the new guy that she met that killed her instead
And either it was just a coincidence that zach was there when she was killed, or that the new guy found out/knows about dexter and killed her to make dexter think zach did it for whatever reason
Im suspicious of him because he came out of no where and seems too innocent/nice
But i doubt that will happen

I just really hope that dexters final enemy for the series isnt just some spoiled kid with a rich father

Achilles.42 wrote:

Was i predicting that voygel was going to experiment with her theories and create others like dexter? cuz that seems what she's trying to do now. but i might have worded it differently before.

You said that she may have done this with other people, teaching them a code to kill by, but i dont think you said she would do it in the future, but she probably would since she already has

Achilles.42 wrote:

I like that they're making masuka more human by giving him father-daughter interactions though.
From the start i thought his character was a little abrasive to the flow of the episodes and his comedic effects were hit and miss. Now that he's a real person i like all his traits more.

Masuka was always comic relief, his 1 trait was that he was a pervert, it was funny in the first couple seasons but it grew old after a few seasons
I didnt think this daughter thing would be such a large part of the show, its a full side story now, i still dont think it will effect the main plot but i do like that the show is doing something with his character

Pat1487 wrote:

That said, im hoping that zach didnt kill her

Yay, he didnt kill her

Pat1487 wrote:

I actually didnt like the apprentice thing this season since theyve done it
before

I just really hope that dexters final enemy for the series isnt just some spoiled kid with a rich father

Yay, zach is dead so the apprentice thing is over and he wont be his final enemy, although i was starting to like him during this episode, so i am a bit disappointed that hes dead now

Pat1487 wrote:

im hoping it was the new guy that she met that killed her instead
And either it was just a coincidence that zach was there when she was killed, or that the new guy found out/knows about dexter and killed her to make dexter think zach did it for whatever reason

Im convinced now that the the boyfriend of dexter's neighbor is the brain surgeon and framed zach for her death
Although it might be too obvious and the show just wants you to think its him, but i dont see who else it could be unless its someone weve never seen before, which i doubt they would do at this point

And yay, the brain surgeon is back, i disliked how they ended that so quickly, there was so much potential there

I was right about oliver woot
Didnt think he would be related to vogel, that came out of no where, but it makes sense and explains a lot about why vogel is the way she is

Yeah. i was surprised how accurate you're predictions were.
The relation with voygel does explain her story, but i was a little disappointed since this means she probably doesn't have any sinister plans with dexter/'psychopaths'. she's just a mortal like everyone else.
but i kinda like the route she's going with oliver as her son.

gj guys, you complained about vogels annoyance and they took care of her.
didn't expect to see oliver kill vogel that fast even tho vogel made it super obvious that she had plans with dexter to kill oliver. and i would have been extremely worried if i was dexter in choosing between going to vogel and staying at home to make sure the marshall didnt get sarah. can someone remind me which house sarah and harrison are staying in? (i forgot) because idk why the marshall isnt knocking on all of dexter's possible houses/places he could be.

this season is closing out pretty well, everyone seems like they are reaching their final destinations except batista and masuka, nothing much with them.
i felt like they couldve connected deb and quinn together again in a better way. and im pretty sure jamie is probably out of the show now since she lost all purpose of babysitting+relationship

dont click this spoiler if you dont want to know the previews of ep 11/12

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Season 2: great combination of doakes and lila
Season 4: unexpected ending with rita and all around intense with the trinity killer
Season 7: the combination of deb finding out dexter and the death of laguerta made this season for me. isaak/hannah also in this season
Season 1: slow start in my opinion but ended really well with deb and the ice truck killer
Season 8: i think this season has started slow as well but it has some good potential in the last 2 episodes
Season 6: the villain of the doomsday killer was meh, but when deb walked in on the killing it made the season
Season 3: i dont remember this season too much, but it had miguel prado in it and ya i forgot alot of this one
Season 5: LUMEN/JORDAN CHASE. this was the WORST season for me because i didnt like lumen at all and jordan chase was a famous BAD villain and he didnt really do much threatening besides having alot of helpers. this is actually the season that bacon complains to me about and where bacon stopped watching the show. (he REALLY liked dexter and this 1 season killed it for him) nothing big really happened in this season, do you guys think bacon could completely skip this season?

This season was amazing imo, it had to be a bit slow since it was introducing a never before seen concept, a serial killer as the main character and person the audience wants to see win

A great follow up to the first season, and having them investigate into his own killings was fantastic, also i hated lila

I didnt see rita's death coming, and Aurthur Mitchell is the most memorable/best villain in the show to me

I mainly like the religious aspect of this season, the doomsday killer was interesting

I like this season as much as 6, it was hard to decide if 6 should be first or if 7 should be, i like the ending to 7 more then 6, but i dont really like what they did with debs character during this season until the end
So 6 and 7 are interchangeable on my list, i only put 6 first so that i could put this explanation last

i liked what they did with miguel, not really much else to say about this season

Lumen wasnt that bad, but yeah this season was really weak

I figured vogel would be dead by the time dexter got there, i didnt think he would kill her in front of him like that though
I wouldve gone to voguel without hesitation since her life was in danger and hannah could probably handle the marshal on her own
They are staying at debs place, i think the marshal didnt think to look there before was because he knew deb didnt like hannah and probably wouldnt cover for her, or maybe he didnt suspect dexter at all so there was no reason to go to his sister

Im still not sure what they are doing with masuka's daughter, they are building up a conflict between them but i dont get why
And batista probably wont have any kind of conclusion, he will probably just keep working at the station

Not going to make any predictions yet, ill wait till next episode before i try to predict the ending

I accidentally started watching episode 11 before 10. thinking i had already seen 10. and rudely discovered voygadsfadl had been killed.
I was a little disappointed she didn't get the more devious role of hidden agendas that i thought she would have (master plans to raise an army of dexter-like-seriel-killer-psychopaths, and what-not). but i guess her and her son were devious enough.

I liked how dexter discovered he didn't 'need/have' to kill.
But i really wish they hadn't shown that the bounty hunter had followed deb to the building.
I mean, the last few episodes he's be constantly following everyone. and we already knew he was on to deb.
So the forshadowing was more than enough.
i found it so painful to watch the last few minutes after that, cus it was like "this ending looks like its about to be perfect. but its obviouselly going to go horribly wrong"
if they had just not shown him pull up in the car it would'a been more like "this ending looks like its about to be perfect. MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN GO WRONG!!! YAAAY-- oh fuck..."
which is a lot more fun to watch IMO
but maybe im just crazy

Before we see the marshal pull up, and before dexter discovers he doesnt need to kill, i figured the marshal would show up as dexter killed oliver, so there was never a point for me when i couldve thought that everything will be ok, so him pulling up didnt bother me

During the part where he was saying he doesnt need to kill i thought he was going to say something like "but i want to kill you" since he killed vogel, i couldnt beleive he just left him there though
I guess it makes sense, his character has changed to the point where he doesnt need to, but hes still a bit of the same person he was so that stopped him from wanting to kill him for vogel (since that desire relies on emotions)

For next episode
I think someone important will probably die
Im kindve hoping oliver kills harrison, although a spinoff show with him set 20ish years in the future would be cool, for that to happen oliver would need to kill either dexter or hannah, or both, in front of him, i doubt they will kill off harrison though, and i doubt the show creators will do a spin off with that character
I dont think dexter will die though, hannah is the most likely person to die to me, she kills elway and escapes only to get caught by oliver, i would be very surprised if elway manages to catch her, she might not kill elway but i def think she will escape from him
I cant predict what will happen to dexter, being arrested is the most likely thing to me, but i dont think he will be
Deb will probably survive the gun shot, at least until 20 mins of the episode, she either survives to raise harrison (dexter either dies or is arrested), or dies with dexter next to her in the hospital all emotionally, i cant tell which 1 will happen

Pat1487 wrote:

During the part where he was saying he doesnt need to kill i thought he was going to say something like "but i want to kill you" since he killed vogel, i couldnt beleive he just left him there though

hhaha, same

Pat1487 wrote:

For next episode
I think someone important will probably die

Agreed. id be suprised if that doesn't happen

Pat1487 wrote:

Im kindve hoping oliver kills harrison

jesus pat. can we make you business cards that say that? "i was hoping they'd kill the kid"

Pat1487 wrote:

I doubt the show creators will do a spin off with that character

would be craycray if they actually did that. i wouldn't complain though

pat1487 wrote:

I dont think dexter will die though, hannah is the most likely person to die to me, she kills elway and escapes only to get caught by oliver, i would be very surprised if elway manages to catch her, she might not kill elway but i def think she will escape from him
I cant predict what will happen to dexter, being arrested is the most likely thing to me, but i dont think he will be
Deb will probably survive the gun shot, at least until 20 mins of the episode, she either survives to raise harrison (dexter either dies or is arrested), or dies with dexter next to her in the hospital all emotionally, i cant tell which 1 will happen

They might cheet and kill off someone like Quinn or Betistas, since we're emotionally invested in them, but they more peripheral characters

I thought the ending was good till the very last scene that just ruined it for me. This is an interview with a former producer and how he wanted to ending be to be. http://www.inquisitr.com/962963/dexter-finale-former-producer-had-another-ending-in-mind/ I this would have been a far superior ending and more fitting to the show. They could have ditched the whole Vogal crap and made more about Batista and Quinn trying to catch him. Hanna could have still went to Argentina with Harrison. That leaves Deb. She could rejoin the force trying to catch Dexter because she wants to stick to her morals or something like that.