Dexter Season Finale (spoilers)

I really disliked the ending to this most recent episode
I felt like it went against dexter's character
It makes perfect sense for Hannah to do that, although i think it was a bit sudden, she didnt even hesitate at the plastic wrap or the fact that dexter was a killer, maybe she just got caught up in the moment and didnt think about it since something like that seems to be her fantasy

But Dexter's actions really surprised me, and not in a good way
I cant beleive he would be so stupid as to not kill someone he has right where he wants them again, hes made this mistake so many times, the biggest/worst time was with trinity
You would think he wouldve learned by now
At 1 point he thought to himself something like "I should tell her to leave" but he does the opposite, which is supposed to make the ending of the episode more believable, like he knows he shouldnt do what hes doing but he does it anyway
It made sense there, in that 1 situation, but not at the end where he set up the kill room and went so far as to tie her up to the table

There was no point where you could see him change his mind from killing her to having sex with her between the time he strapped her to the table and the time where he cut her free

The rest of the episode was great though
That kill room at the end was probably the best kill room in the series, although in this case i guess it was more of a sex room then a kill room


I hope Batista doesnt retire because retiring would mean leaving the show, i cant really see them keeping that character in the show after he retires, i really wish they would do more with his character

I was disappointed with what they did with Louis, it seemed like they were setting it up for him to be the new rival, maybe a killer that did the same kind of thing dexter did competing against dexter with different rules or something, and then just didnt

I cant tell if Hannah actually poisoned Deb or if Deb poisoned the water to make it look like Hannah poisoned her so that Dexter would turn on her
Normally i wouldnt suspect Deb but she has changed a lot so i think its possible she would do something like that now
Even if Deb didnt poison the water i hope that the possibility that she did gets brought up

man the whole episode was worthless except for the last 5 minutes which was bad ass. I'm curious as to how this'll play out. However I feel like Dexter seems more cerial killer like than ever. Was a bit predictable though, everything is better after laguerta dies but at the last 5 minutes of the show everything just seems to go south for dexter, can't believe I didn't see that coming /sarcasm. Anyhow can't complain too much, first episode sets the ground work nothing too special yet though.

What the hell are you talking about amaz
The episode wasnt worthless

We saw how dexter is handling the situation with laguerta and deb (i would say "how hes handeling laguerta's death", but he doesnt actually care about that part of it, its more about deb and what killing laguerta did to her), thats why he was acting more "cerial killer like than ever"

It introduced a new serial killer that likes cutting up brains, which is cool

We got to see dexter take harrison with him on something dangerous, something that ive wanted to see for awhile, ive always thought it was unrealistic that jamie could drop everything shes doing to watch harrison whenever dexter needs to do something, like her character was just to so dexter didnt need to be tied down to a kid, so im glad to see she's more realistic now

The scene with vogel and dexter talking about the bay harbor butcher was amazingly good, her word choice was so deliberate but subtle (like using the word "guidelines" instead of the word "code" when code is what most people would say), it was just enough to make you wonder if she knows the truth or not (i was thinking she did at that point since it seemed like she avoided saying "code")

We got to see how deb was handling what she did for dexter, the scene where she said "i shouldve shot you" was great

And things were going south for dexter the whole time, not just in the last 5 mins, and i definitely wouldnt say laguerta's death made everything better
His mental state was getting worse the whole time, his relationship with deb was getting worse, his ability to take care of harrison was getting worse, and his job was getting worse (vogule just being there was bad news for him)
The only thing that was better because of laguerta's death was that he doesnt have to worry about going to jail/being sentenced to death for a little while longer

As for what you said about it being predictable, i wouldnt call it predictable but it wasnt unpredictable either, i would say that it had good foreshadowing

We saw how dexter is handling the situation with laguerta and deb (i would say "how hes handeling laguerta's death", but he doesnt actually care about that part of it, its more about deb and what killing laguerta did to her), thats why he was acting more "cerial killer like than ever"

It introduced a new serial killer that likes cutting up brains, which is cool

We got to see dexter take harrison with him on something dangerous, something that ive wanted to see for awhile, ive always thought it was unrealistic that jamie could drop everything shes doing to watch harrison whenever dexter needs to do something, like her character was just to so dexter didnt need to be tied down to a kid, so im glad to see she's more realistic now

The scene with vogel and dexter talking about the bay harbor butcher was amazingly good, her word choice was so deliberate but subtle (like using the word "guidelines" instead of the word "code" when code is what most people would say), it was just enough to make you wonder if she knows the truth or not (i was thinking she did at that point since it seemed like she avoided saying "code")

We got to see how deb was handling what she did for dexter, the scene where she said "i shouldve shot you" was great

And things were going south for dexter the whole time, not just in the last 5 mins, and i definitely wouldnt say laguerta's death made everything better
His mental state was getting worse the whole time, his relationship with deb was getting worse, his ability to take care of harrison was getting worse, and his job was getting worse (vogule just being there was bad news for him)
The only thing that was better because of laguerta's death was that he doesnt have to worry about going to jail/being sentenced to death for a little while longer

As for what you said about it being predictable, i wouldnt call it predictable but it wasnt unpredictable either, i would say that it had good foreshadowing

The way in which dexter/deb deal with laquerta's death was somewhat predictable. Deb obviously has a conscience and was clearly not going to be ok with killing a person she was friends with, and dexter who had already planned on killing laguerta was obviously going to be happy with the fact that he was able to kill her, but probably upset by the fact that Deb had to do it, thus the reason hes angry at laguerta (it led his sister into his problems). You could have gathered this all w/o having seen this episode, not that it shouldn't of been in this episode, just that it's boring to know what was already coming.

The new cerial killer who cuts up brains isn't that cool to me. I just got done watching fringe where a lot of weird shit happens. Actually in one of the fringe episodes I remember a cerial killer who cuts out the amygdala of his victims so he can experience their most happy moments because he is incredibly sad/broken inside (could see this happening). Heck there's about 10 other episodes with brain removing/ altering things happening (so it isn't so original to me anymore).

The second Vogel shared the eye contact with Dexter I knew she knew he was a cerial killer. It was too soon after Laguerta's death to be anything else, and she had too specific of a job. I like he a lot though, could never have guessed her coming onto the show.

And comon, "I should have shot you" seriously, you thought that was a good line. That was the fucking gimme line, like that's exactly what I was expecting her character to say. I mean give the people what they want, but god damn.

Yeah I agree that things were going south for dexter the whole time, but as they already hinted at it, w/o deb dexter is lost. And I think we just had some foreshadowing as to how the season will end. If dexter can't fix his relationship with deb hes going to get caught, or even worse killed (well maybe it'd be safer that way)

So you're saying you knew deb would quit the police, get a job as a bounty hunter, and fall for 1 of her bounties
No of course you didnt, none of that was predictable
Obviously debs character would be upset, it would be wrong if she wasnt, but you didnt know how being upset would effect her, or exactly what she was going to do

Ive seen fringe too amaz and its a completely different type of show, theres no way this serial killer would use the amygdala of his victims to feel their emotion because thats science fiction and dexter isnt a science fiction show
All the brain removing in fringe was for some science fiction reason, here it will be for a more realistic reason

You didnt know she knew, you guessed it, based on meta knowledge
It would be like if i used meta knowledge to say, "Vogul worked with harry on cases in the past. they knew eachother pretty well, harry asked her for help with dexter since shes an expert on psychopaths, and shes the 1 that suggested the code to harry"
If thats what ends up happening, it wasnt because it was predictable, its because i got lucky at the meta/know how to meta well enough to guess these things
Just like you did with guessing vogel knew about dexter

If you thought thats exactly what deb would say then you didnt understand deb and dexters relationship before this, she was in love with him
It would make sense for her to be really mad at him like she is, but to go so far as to say "I shouldve shot you" is really powerful hate

I dont think its going to be that important, i doubt the end will hinge on dexters relationship with deb, but it will play an important part
If it does hinge on their relationship, that would be predictable

pat1487 wrote:

What the hell are you talking about amaz

fo realizes.
also, the "omg so predictable. to me is one of the most worthless things to say after watching something, in most situations. so this episode might not have been worthless, but your comments certainly are <3

pat wrote:

So you're saying you knew deb would quit the police, get a job as a bounty hunter, and fall for 1 of her bounties
No of course you didnt, none of that was predictable
Obviously debs character would be upset, it would be wrong if she wasnt, but you didnt know how being upset would effect her, or exactly what she was going to do

^that stuff. yeah amaze, idk what you were expecting. most tv shows, and most everything ever, is predictable in some general sense. it seems like your objecting to a logical progression, which is just silly. sillysillysily


it was probably the way they were shooting the scene, and they way they scripted her lines. but when vogyuegy, (psychology) when psychology first started talking my thought process was "omg look this face is so creepy. its gonna be bad news bears for dexter soon" and oh em gee.
The thing is, i feel like it wouldn't be totally out'a the blue for dexter to just off her before things get out of hand. im kinda expecting some serious explaining if they don't go that route.
BFF's with his dad or something that makes him decide to honor his memory. IDK.
But to me, she just provides the same threat as dokes did to "Destroying his life and hurting the people that rely on him (harrison now. whatever her faces name was that he married for like 5 seconds back then)
And i wish i remembered more specifically when this was, but dexter just went completely bananas on some guy in a bathroom once and killed him without knowing anything about him except he was a jerk. i feel like there's more than that one guy that's only crime was being a jerk and he killed them.
i.e. he didn't actually know anything about Deb's knew boy toy, and he just knifed him in the heat of the moment.

They'd better explain really nicely why he doesn't just fucking kill her, is my only point to that huge bit of rambling.

I think vogel is the one cutting out pieces of people's brains
The way she was like theres some one in my house and later says no one left then they find the dvd and she claims shes never seen it

And the way she was talking about how psychopaths are a gift that mankind needs

i wish i had posted my suspicions from the first episode.
but now pat gets to look like the smart one callin vogal as the killer

but now i feel like she's gonna have a weider angle than that
i kept rewatching the part with the video trying to see something that would put the person holding the camera/gun as definitely not her. but theres nothing i could find.
(at first i had been like. "no pat, the persons hand holding the gun was definitelly not at all wizened like hers are)
but the jerkface is wearing dem blue gloves.
because i feel like for all the cleverness she's going through with dexter, she'd to something other than "hey. i have a gun. do what i say.   jk, im'a kill you know"
i feel like that sillyness is pointing to another thread that we haven't fully seen yet, and we're yet to fully understand voygeezus

(but i was also completely wrong about everything i said about dexter killing vogl-sfasd. cuz i was thinking she was gonna use all the shit she had incriminating dexter as direct leverage/blackmale. not as this sneaky manipulation stuff. if it had just been: "haha im not a killer, so you cant kill me. now do everything i say"
i would'a been rurl mad. rurl mad.


and oh em to the gee.
deb has fallen off every wagon possible.
then proceeded to fall of whatever you fall into when you fall off wagons

What made you think that she was the killer in the first episode?
I didnt see anything that would make me think it was her from the 1st episode


And i didnt think they would do what you were saying about her being a new doakes
What i said here:

Pat1487 wrote:

It would be like if i used meta knowledge to say, "Vogul worked with harry on cases in the past. they knew eachother pretty well, harry asked her for help with dexter since shes an expert on psychopaths, and shes the 1 that suggested the code to harry"

Wasnt just an example for amaz, it was what i thought would happen, mostly based on the fact that i didnt think the writers would do another season where someone threatened his secret and that was the only thing that i could think of that made sense for her, which was what ended up happening


As for why vogel is doing this, i have no idea why shes cutting out peices of peoples brains
We dont really have enough info to figure that out yet, but i do have a few theories as to why shes trying to manipulate dexter

Maybe she's angry at dexter for killing so many psychopaths (since she was saying that they are important), but that doesnt make sense with what she did earlier by helping harry with the code and basically making a psychopath that kills other psychopaths, and it doesnt explain why she waited this long to stop him
Unless she only recently decided that psychopaths were needed, but then it doesnt make sense for her to not have told the police about everything earlier, and from the way she said it, it seems unlikely that it was a recent change

Or maybe she realized that the code was a mistake since dexter has been killing so many psychopaths that, in her mind, he is hurting mankind by eliminating so many of something that mankind needs (like maybe she considers psychopaths to be a precious resource or something)
This is the 1 im currently leaning towards

Or maybe 1 of the people hes killed was a patient of hers, a patient she liked or loved (like arthur, trinity)
It doesnt have to be trinity, but of all the people dexter has killed i feel like it would be trinity (they would have to explain why she waited this long to do anything about it though)
But it could also be travis (DDK), but that seems less likely to me unless DDK was her son or related to her which is even more unlikely

pat1487 wrote:

Wasnt just an example for amaz, it was what i thought would happen, mostly based on the fact that i didnt think the writers would do another season where someone threatened his secret and that was the only thing that i could think of that made sense for her, which was what ended up happening

that makes sense. now that i hear it i agree wit it.

pat1487 wrote:

What made you think that she was the killer in the first episode?
I didnt see anything that would make me think it was her from the 1st episode

it was probably the same way i thought "vogel's definitely not the killer" from the video that she and dexter watched, but then i go back and discover i had no reason to think that. i just thunked it.

pat1487 wrote:

Or maybe she realized that the code was a mistake since dexter has been killing so many psychopaths that, in her mind, he is hurting mankind by eliminating so many of something that mankind needs (like maybe she considers psychopaths to be a precisions resource or something)
This is the 1 im currently leaning towards

i don't know. she seemed quite serious when she said "there's nothing wrong with you" or "you're prefect the way you are" however she worded it.

I'm leaning towards her motives with dexter not actually revolving around dexter.
but if they do revolve around him, i like that next bit about him having killed one of her more valued patience. maybe someone she had developed a knew code for, and she only considers dexter a shity prototype of "the code" that ruined her 2.0 version.

I dont think she said "you're perfect the way you are", if she did then what you said contradicts itself, she cant think hes perfect and be a shitty prototype at the same time

She did say something like "theres nothing wrong with you" though
I took it as more of a manipulation thing rather then a genuine thing, like thats what dexter would want to hear, so she said it

oh em gee. im allowed to entertain too contradicting thoughts.
both of those sentences had nothing to do with the legitimacy of the other.

like this:
i think mark might be really fat. i think mark might be really anorexic.

both contradicting possibilities, but both in my head, because obviously  one of them is true.

EDIT: and yeah. it prolly was a manipulation.
im one of those people that gets fooled every single time someone acts legit in a movie or tv show.
im always like "nono. this time he's a good guy"
no matter how many times they've shown they're gonna turn out to be a bad guy

In your example both of those are made up possibilities, in the actual thing, the "you're perfect the way you are" possibility (or however it was worded) is actually true (since she did actually say it)
And since you didnt think it was manipulation then your shitty prototype thing cant be true

If it was manipulation then it can be true, and may be true, but i dont think dexter has killed anyone else that had a code (i guess some kindve do, i wouldnt call them codes and i dont see vogel teaching those kinds of codes, although we dont know how much she helped with harrys code so the idea of the code may have been hers but harry made the rules, so maybe she did)