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Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Game of Thrones Mon May 06, 2013 9:08 pm | |
| Anyone else watching or reading this? Ive read up to the last book, book 5. The books are pretty good, cept for the god aweful book 4. Ive watched season 1 & 2 and a little of season 3. I liked season one because it was the most loyal to the book, season 2 was alright and i think season 3 is kind of a mess. There are too many characters to make a coherent TV show. But i guess its alright. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue May 07, 2013 4:28 am | |
| Im watching it, and its great, i havent read any of it I havent seen the most recent episode that came out yesterday yet though I like season 1 the most, season 2 was good, season 3 is better than season 2 so far I like how theres so much stuff happening at the same time, there are a lot of characters to keep track of but theres only ~7 areas to know, and if you treat each 1 as there own separate mini-plot its easy to keep track of everything - Spoiler:
1. Kings landing, with the lannisters, baelish and the few other council members, the new soon to be queen whos name i dont know yet and her mother, sansa, and the side characters
2. Ayras journey (this should be in 7 but its such a large part and has lasted so long that i pulled it into its own thing), with arya, gendry, the hound, the undead eye patch guy and the rest of his men
3. The wall, with jhon snow, the members of the nights watch, the wildlings, and the white walkers
4. The lord of light, with stannis, his wife, his daughter, the onion knight, and the witch, and the rest of stanis's people
5. Starks army, with rob, catelyn, the medic girl, the prisoners they have, and the rest of the men under robs command
6. The desert, with targaryen, her dragons, her new free slave army, the dothraki (i cant remember how many are still alive, i know theres at least 1), her adviser, and the new old guy
7. The side travels, any time characters break off from the main areas i lump them together into this section even if they are in completely different areas, so jamie and brienne and the characters related to them are in this section, theon grayjoy and the people torturing him is here too, and the warg thats with bran stark and his small group too, i treat everything within this one as a micro mini-plot until it becomes a big thing like with arya
I say ~7 because it keeps changing, it does actually keep growing, but not by much, season 1 had 5 of these - Spoiler:
The wall, winterfell, kings landing, the desert, side travels Although it was mostly kings landing and winterfell
After writing it all down i realize its more complicated then "only ~7" (especially since 7 is multiple things) but still the show handles all these different things at once pretty well considering how much is crammed into each 1 Normally that kind of pacing would be unwatchable but they pull it off My 1 complaint with it would be that (really its more of a 1/2 complaint) - Spoiler:
Any character can die at any moment, very few have guaranteed main character immunity, and even those you think have immunity might not even have it In the first season i didnt know that and i became pretty invested in ned starks character and his cause, i considered him to be the main character of the show and then he dies Now, i hate main character immunity, the idea that you know the main characters wont die/get seriously injured because the show would just end without those characters, or it would be completely different, and ive always wanted a show that would do what game of thrones does and just throw main character immunity out without changing the show completely when a character like that dies
But after seeing it i understand why main character immunity is important After neds death i cant really like a character that much anymore knowing that they can die at any second So i find myself actively trying not to become invested in characters or their situations now Even though i try not to i still do though, but its different then with ned's character
Tyrion is the only 1 left that i really dont want to see die, ive accepted the potential death of every other character but him since hes just such an awesome character My reaction to the episode where he gets hit by the sword in the face and it looks like hes dead and the episode just ends there was "OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and i immediately started the next episode (luckily i had postponed watching that episode until the next 1 was out, i dont know what i wouldve done if i had to wait a week for the next episode)
So yeah, i like that main character immunity doesnt exist since theres a lot more tension with everything, but at the same time i want the safety of main character immunity to protect characters i really like
How far is book 4 from the current season, and, without spoiling anything, what was wrong with book 4 And how much different is season 2 from the books | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue May 07, 2013 10:42 am | |
| -FYI the spoilers aren't book spoilers, they are just from the show, so you should have seen this stuff already. I feel like theres alot more than 7 people's stories going on and the show even cut out a few from the book. I'm not sure how they will do season 4, since they could easily make it good or easily make it bad but theres gonna be a couple more POV characters. Especially with the arrival of the people of Dorne, - Spoiler:
I don't know if you remember, but thats where Tyrion sent the Queen's daughter, Myrcella, in season 2.
Btw the ending of season 3, if they do it right will be the most surprising, annoying, epic, satisfying, exciting shit in the world. - Spoiler:
As for the main character immunity thing, i know what you mean. Especially that i didn't want to continue the book when Eddard dies.
What made book 4 so annoying, is that since the authors story had gotten so vast, he had to divide Book 4 and Book 5 in terms of characters. By that that i mean book 4 had half the characters and book 5 had the other half. The 2 reasons this sucked, is you have no idea whats happening to your favorite characters, the stories that end in cliffhangers don't get resolved until book 5. The other reason, is because book 4's character half ALL FUCKING SUCK AND YOU HATE THEM. I don't remember but you get like Sansa, Queen Cersei, Arianne Martelle (You haven't met her yet), Samwell Tarly. The only interesting chars in this book are Arya, Jaime and Brienne, the reste is 900 pages of pure annoyingness. But i doubt they will divide season 4 and 5 the same way they did with the books, because it would be stupid and because in the books, - Spoiler:
Theon disapears from book 2 until book 5, but in the show you already see what happened to him in season 3
And also just a question, do you ever get confused or forget the names of the people, because id think just by watching the show i wouldn't understand much, if they at least made some ugly transitions where you see the whole map and where the characters are it would be easier, but in the show the only map you see is in the intro (Btw the intro is fucking awesome.) oh and final btw, remember this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-b4huMjHU , His name's Benjen Stark. The books don't mention him since his disapearence, but i think he becomes important. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue May 07, 2013 3:00 pm | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- I feel like theres alot more than 7 people's stories going on and the show even cut out a few from the book. I'm not sure how they will do season 4, since they could easily make it good or easily make it bad but theres gonna be a couple more POV characters. Especially with the arrival of the people of Dorne
Yeah theres definitely more then 7 peoples stories, number 1 on my list has at least 5 going on at any 1 time, but since they interact with each other frequently i count all of it as 1 thing Its like that for all of them I said 7 is multiple because its the category for stuff that doesnt have a category and since they dont interact (most of the time) they would be in their own category, but they are so small with only a few characters or only last a couple episodes, or change so rapidly that its easier just to put them in a misc category - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- What made book 4 so annoying, is that since the authors story had gotten so vast, he had to divide Book 4 and Book 5 in terms of characters. By that that i mean book 4 had half the characters and book 5 had the other half. The 2 reasons this sucked, is you have no idea whats happening to your favorite characters, the stories that end in cliffhangers don't get resolved until book 5. The other reason, is because book 4's character half ALL FUCKING SUCK AND YOU HATE THEM. I don't remember but you get like Sansa, Queen Cersei, Arianne Martelle (You haven't met her yet), Samwell Tarly. The only interesting chars in this book are Arya, Jaime and Brienne, the reste is 900 pages of pure annoyingness. But i doubt they will divide season 4 and 5 the same way they did with the books, because it would be stupid and because in the books,
- Spoiler:
Theon disapears from book 2 until book 5, but in the show you already see what happened to him in season 3
I hope they dont split it up like that between seasons, that would be really weird for a show - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- And also just a question, do you ever get confused or forget the names of the people, because id think just by watching the show i wouldn't understand much, if they at least made some ugly transitions where you see the whole map and where the characters are it would be easier, but in the show the only map you see is in the intro (Btw the intro is fucking awesome.)
I forget names of side characters but not the main ones, and the characters i listed in my list where i dont use their name it means i havent learned what it is yet Keeping track of where characters are is fairly easy, the locations all look unique enough to know what is what, i split up characters on that list based on location mostly and then i basically just keep track of the location but its been getting more complicated then that, the only time its hard is when they are traveling because non-specific locations all look the same - Spoiler:
Originally number 5 was called winterfell, but then i had to make winterfell and starks army separate when rob moved out from winterfell, then they were separate things until winterfell was burned down, currently i know that starks army is in riverrun but they will probably move again soon so calling number 5 riverrun wont work
Number 4 is called the lord of light because i dont know the name of the place they are at, but the look of the place is unique enough that i know it when i see it, i actually dont want to use that name for number 5 because the lord of light can also refer to the brotherhood without banners and they are currently part of aryas journey
Number 2 is called aryas journey because it follows arya who moves constantly
The wall/the dessert are just general names for areas that are snowy wasteland/sandy wasteland and anything within that (and of course the wall itself)
- Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- oh and final btw, remember this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-b4huMjHU , His name's Benjen Stark. The books don't mention him since his disapearence, but i think he becomes important.
- Spoiler:
I assumed he became a white walker, the other guys that were with him attacked the nights watch as white walkers and his horse came back alone And it was the reason the nights watch ventured out beyond the wall in the first place, so i figured it was to give them a reason to go beyond the wall to get things going John will probably have to fight him at some point though Unless he didnt die, but he probably did
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| | | Kallock Sergeant
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue May 07, 2013 5:03 pm | |
| this shows the most OVERRATED show on TV. NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN IT | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue May 07, 2013 6:40 pm | |
| MY FIENDISH PLAN WORKED, I GOT KALLOCK TO POST ON THE FORUMS. GG IM OUT.
As for Benjen, wihout spoling, were going to have to revisit your theory at the end of season 3. Also i agree with slayer that not that much happens in the show, because they cut out major battles and only keep the final battles to make good season finallys, but there are other attractive parts of the show.
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| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Wed May 08, 2013 12:38 pm | |
| I love this show. I've only watched the show, (I'm fully caught up) and have yet to read the books. I am planning to just haven't got around to doing it yet. For most of season 1 I had no idea what anyone's name was, I just went by faces. Now I'm pretty solid I think I know who everyone is, unless it's an obscure person we have seen once or twice. I totally forgot about Benjen Stark, no idea he existed. Is he a direct decedent of Ned? | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Wed May 08, 2013 2:02 pm | |
| - Kallock wrote:
- this shows the most OVERRATED show on TV.
NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN IT A lot of stuff happens Theres just not that many battles, or even that much action at times I like how it has quite/slow moments and not just action all the time It makes the world feel more real, theres not always a world changing fight/event happening at every moment, just like in real life - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Also i agree with slayer that not that much happens in the show, because they cut out major battles and only keep the final battles to make good season finallys, but there are other attractive parts of the show.
How are they cutting out major battles and still stay with the same story as the book Surely important characters would die in major battles and if the show cut those battles out then those characters wouldnt die in the show and the story would have to be much different from the books because of it Unless no important characters died during those battles in the book, which wouldnt really make them major battles then - marksoccer wrote:
- I love this show. I've only watched the show, (I'm fully caught up) and have yet to read the books. I am planning to just haven't got around to doing it yet. For most of season 1 I had no idea what anyone's name was, I just went by faces. Now I'm pretty solid I think I know who everyone is, unless it's an obscure person we have seen once or twice. I totally forgot about Benjen Stark, no idea he existed. Is he a direct decedent of Ned?
I think benjen was johns cousin, so hes neds nephew | |
| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Wed May 08, 2013 2:40 pm | |
| There was a couple time in season 2 that we saw Rob Stark after a battle hitting on the doctor chick (who's name escapes me) while she's helping someone. So maybe in the books those battles play out | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Wed May 08, 2013 7:26 pm | |
| - Quote :
- How are they cutting out major battles and still stay with the same story as the book
Surely important characters would die in major battles and if the show cut those battles out then those characters wouldnt die in the show and the story would have to be much different from the books because of it Unless no important characters died during those battles in the book, which wouldnt really make them major battles then - Spoiler:
Here's an example, and this one kinda made me disappointed in the show because i was really looking forward to seeing it. The of this season there was suppose to be a battle between the Nights Watch and the white walkers and in the book it was the most epic thing ever. They are all standing in line and the Lord Commander is giving a speech while all the Crows have their swords in the air. Its like night and the speech is awesome and at the end the say somehting like "We are the swords in the darkness". Then the white walkers and zombies come charging in and they use flaming arrows to try and hold them back. Then theres like huge fucking zombie polar bears and wolves that crawl out of the ground and murder people left and right. They end up surrounded and they have to retreat and theres only like a small gap between the zombies they can flee from and only a few men of the nights watch survive. It might not be a super important battle but it was hella awesome to read. Which reminds me that theres no zombie animals in the show, only zombie people. - Quote :
- I think benjen was johns cousin, so hes neds nephew
Benjen is Eddards younger brother. You should already know also that Eddards older brother died while being chocked to death as he watched his father burn alive | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Wed May 08, 2013 10:00 pm | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Spoiler:
Here's an example, and this one kinda made me disappointed in the show because i was really looking forward to seeing it. The of this season there was suppose to be a battle between the Nights Watch and the white walkers and in the book it was the most epic thing ever. They are all standing in line and the Lord Commander is giving a speech while all the Crows have their swords in the air. Its like night and the speech is awesome and at the end the say somehting like "We are the swords in the darkness". Then the white walkers and zombies come charging in and they use flaming arrows to try and hold them back. Then theres like huge fucking zombie polar bears and wolves that crawl out of the ground and murder people left and right. They end up surrounded and they have to retreat and theres only like a small gap between the zombies they can flee from and only a few men of the nights watch survive. It might not be a super important battle but it was hella awesome to read. Which reminds me that theres no zombie animals in the show, only zombie people.
That does sound cool - Spoiler:
So does that mean that the mutiny at crasters keep wasnt in the books and was just for the show to kill off the characters that died in that battle from the book
And there are zombie animals, there were zombie horses Not nearly as cool as undead polar bears, but still
And dont forget to use spoiler tags bacon - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Benjen is Eddards younger brother. You should already know also that Eddards older brother died while being chocked to death as he watched his father burn alive
Ah, yeah, that makes more sense, john is bens nephew I knew someone was someones nephew/uncle but i couldnt remember who so i thought ben must be jons cousin for what i was thinking to work Havent seen season 1 in like 2 years, and so much has happened in the show since then that i forget family relation ships, other then that they are in the same family | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Thu May 09, 2013 8:51 pm | |
| Sorry bout the spoilers. - Spoiler:
But everything that happened in Crasters keep did happen the men that died on the fist of the the first men were just a huge chunk of secondary characters. And if you ever read the books youll see that theres like a billion secondary characters
But keep posting when the shows get released, i wanna hear what think about what happens in the show. Especially an event in particular [wow]What is this WOW thing?[/wow] | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Mon May 13, 2013 11:08 pm | |
| I found this awesome picture of that battle i was talking about - Spoiler:
Also i watched episode 7 and i think they won't actually show the entire ending of book 3, there just doesn't seem to be enough time, although i could be wrong. But theres so much important events that happen, but they all start with some kind of build up. Unless the next episode starts building up all the upcoming events, there just wont be any time for the awesomness. | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:25 pm | |
| Episode 9 S3 - Spoiler:
Reached the point in the book where i just wanted to stop reading because of the pure gayness of what just happened. The only thing that kept me going is what happens next (if they do it)
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| | | Achilles.42 Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:16 pm | |
| Mark just made a facebook post about this show, but apparently doesn't care enough about us to talk about it here.
all in favor of banning mark? | |
| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:36 am | |
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| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:41 am | |
| My reaction was just :O the entire scene. I was fairly unadulterated to what was going to happen. - Spoiler:
I was aware something amazing/shocking was going to happen during the red wedding and I also remember skimming over something about Cat dying. I spent the entire episode in anticipation of the red wedding but had no idea all that was going to happen I started reading the books now so I can see the difference between them and so I can find out what happens next, I can't do this waiting week to week and year to year thing, I don't think my heart can take it. | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:56 am | |
| - Spoiler:
It was well done, but i thought it looked pretty hilarious the way they killed robb and cat. Like someone comes into the shot and stabs him and then just runs away lol. But WAIT, more people are going to die in the next episode. (or should, because i already know they won't fit the whole third book into this season)
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| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:58 am | |
| They said that this season is going to be about half the third book. | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:52 am | |
| They showed a lot more than half, they are only skipping like 250 pages as far as ive seen, but in those 250 pages theres like massive awesomness. | |
| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:33 pm | |
| Well that should be a fun 4th season. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:18 pm | |
| Just saw S3 E9 - Spoiler:
Omg, holy shit, wtf, i did not see robs death coming like that When that guy closed that door all ominously i thought something was going to go down But i didnt think it would be a slaughter, i thought cat would warn rob and he and his men would draw their swords and there would be a fight I figured robs wife would die in that fight since they were talking about the baby and their future together
I was ok with them all dieing, but not like that, not in a slaughter I mean if they had to die they shouldve at least died while fighting to take kings landing In some ways i like that the show/book didnt do what you would expect, but in other ways i hate that they died like that
I guess i can cross number 5 off my list
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| | | marksoccer Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:21 pm | |
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| | | Achilles.42 Commander
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:22 pm | |
| - marksoccer wrote:
- Well that should be a fun 4th season.
- marksoccer wrote:
- Number 5?
OMFG MARK! DO YOU KNOW WHAT SPOILER TAGS ARE?!?! USE THEM!!! | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Game of Thrones Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:11 am | |
| - marksoccer wrote:
- number 5?
- Spoiler:
The list of 7 things in my first post of this thread Number 5 was Starks Army Since that episode probably ended that storyline
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