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Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Clannad Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:43 pm | |
| So while i was looking for an anime like angel beats, i kept hearing that clannad is like the superior version or something, so i started watching it. So far its not even a quarter as good as angel beats, but i hear its season 2 that makes it good. I just wanted to know if i should really keep watching, because the comments on all the episode makes it out to be the saddest and most painful thing in the world. Anyone else seen this? | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:23 am | |
| Hlw and I talked about it in the top 10 anime post: - hlw_rocer wrote:
- just finished clannad after story
i thought it was really good and i liked it more than angel beats ( SRS BACON) Key company also produced it (same people who made angel beats) it's lengthy though ~45 episodes including Clannad
idk if you guys could watch the whole thing though, cause you probably wouldn't sit through watching Clannad (it was cool, not as good as After Story) first and the first half of After Story which is kind of filler (still watchable)
but most people who finish it say it's one of their top 10 animes and i'd probably have to agree
this review sucks so i'm just going to stop writing
tl;dr idk if you guys would like watch it but i thought it was better than angel beats, which could've been much better if its funding wasn't cut ( or i think it was, but still srs this time about clannad being better than Angel Beats)
ya. - Pat1487 wrote:
- hlw_rocer wrote:
- just finished clannad after story
i thought it was really good and i liked it more than angel beats ( SRS BACON) Key company also produced it (same people who made angel beats) it's lengthy though ~45 episodes including Clannad
idk if you guys could watch the whole thing though, cause you probably wouldn't sit through watching Clannad I tried to watch Clannad 2 years ago, i didnt finish it, it had its funny moments, but i lost interest in it Its way better then what i saw of Toradora though It definitely wasnt better than Angel Beats! in my opinion Our tastes in anime (and probably in movies/shows) are just different
- hlw_rocer wrote:
- (it was cool, not as good as After Story) first and the first half of After Story which is kind of filler (still watchable)
- hlw_rocer wrote:
- it's lengthy though ~45 episodes including Clannad
I just looked it up theres 49 episodes Clannad is 24 and After story is 25, which means, if what you say about the 2nd half of after story being the only great part, that you have to watch 37 episodes of meh to get to 13 episodes of greatness It doesnt really seem worth it too me from just the time investment to enjoyment return ratio (19 hours invested:5 hours enjoyed) Nearly 4:1, i can only really tolerate 1.5:1 or 2:1 if the series isnt that long I personally dont want to have to sit through a mediocre season to get to the good parts But if what hlw was saying about the 2nd half of the 2nd season is true then you might like it if you dont mind the first season | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:43 pm | |
| Oh right i remember this, hanny was also trying to make us believe Toradora! was better than angel beats, what a scrub.
I agree that i wouldnt want to watch a mediocre season to get to the good stuff, but i see now that the lame stuff is like between episode 3-12, the reste is pretty good so far, in the first season | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:23 pm | |
| this is an extraordinary anime. Its so powerful, ive never seen anything like it before | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:22 am | |
| Is it better than/as good as angel beats? If you say yes then i will beleive that the mediocre stuff is worth sitting through and will eventually watch it | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:22 pm | |
| When i was watching this, at first i thought it was far weaker than angel beats, but the more i went on the better i thought it got and i have to say, past a certain point, i could no longer deny it. In my opinion its better. The reasons for this is that unlike angel beats this show has around 45 episodes which allowed a full development of all side characters. Also the main character doesn't just develop, he grows and evolves, which is also due to the fact that there are many more episodes. Here are just things ill put outthere real quick if you want to watch it. -It has a similarity to the way Stein's Gate is built, in which the show sidetracks and focuses on a character non stop for many episodes at a time. -The worst part of the series is around the begining when the show focuses on Fuko Ibuki, because it just drags on forever. -Its a lot less accessible than angel beats, because there are much fewer real action scenes and the comedy isnt as strong. Angel Beats had me really laughing out loud 3-6 times an episode, while this is more like 1 time per 2-3 episodes, well cept for the scenes with AKio, who is just the best character -I watched a few subs then went to dubs. I watched most of it in Dub, i liked the dub, theres only like 1-2 characters whos voices are ear bleeding, the rest is fine -All episodes are on youtube in 480-720p
I think this is now among my top 3 favorite animes, which also include FMA brotherhood and Angel Beats. | |
| | | hlw_rocer Corporal
| Subject: Re: Clannad Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:33 pm | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Oh right i remember this, hanny was also trying to make us believe Toradora! was better than angel beats, what a scrub.
I agree that i wouldnt want to watch a mediocre season to get to the good stuff, but i see now that the lame stuff is like between episode 3-12, the reste is pretty good so far, in the first season flock you bacon | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:53 pm | |
| So i started watching this, saw the first 2 eps First, what i said here: - Pat1487 wrote:
- I tried to watch Clannad 2 years ago, i didnt finish it, it had its funny moments, but i lost interest in it
Was wrong, i dont know what show i was thinking of, but it wasnt clannad, it is very similar to clannad, especially the opening scene of the first episode, that scene is almost identical to the show i was thinking of, it may have been snowing instead of cherry blossoms falling though, but there was definitely a girl talking to herself (even saying the name of a food) and a guy complaining about how crappy his life was in both, and the character designs are very similar too Second, this seems pretty generic I know 2 episodes arent enough to judge it, but still its done everything that your typical romance anime does (and it feels like its going to go into harem territory with all the different girls that are in the show, i really dislike harems btw, so if this becomes a harem i will hold you personally responsible bacon) The only thing good about it so far is - Spoiler:
Okazaki's relationship with his father
Thats the only thing giving me hope that this show wont suck (other then what you said about it being good later) | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:03 pm | |
| Mwhahahah the show secretly sucks, its all a conspiracy! You should find that anime your talking about, id like to see the similarities. What do you mean by harem? Something like you expect all the side characters to fall in love with the main guy? Well as mentionned previously the begining is pretty weak and somewhat bland, i found myself checking my emails on my 2nd screen a lot during that part, but PRESS ON BROTHER! Well ive never seen any real romance animes (Except for TORADORA because of hanny.... FUCKING HANNY). Maybe the romance is really bad and cliché, but i kinda liked it and also its not jsut about romance, its about so much more! | |
| | | hlw_rocer Corporal
| Subject: Re: Clannad Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:32 pm | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Mwhahahah the show secretly sucks, its all a conspiracy!
You should find that anime your talking about, id like to see the similarities. What do you mean by harem? Something like you expect all the side characters to fall in love with the main guy? Well as mentionned previously the begining is pretty weak and somewhat bland, i found myself checking my emails on my 2nd screen a lot during that part, but PRESS ON BROTHER! Well ive never seen any real romance animes (Except for TORADORA because of hanny.... FUCKING HANNY). Maybe the romance is really bad and cliché, but i kinda liked it and also its not jsut about romance, its about so much more! flock you bacon i showed you clannad, you can't hold toradora against me now | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:12 am | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Mwhahahah the show secretly sucks, its all a conspiracy!
You should find that anime your talking about, id like to see the similarities. If i find it ill tell you - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- What do you mean by harem? Something like you expect all the side characters to fall in love with the main guy?
A harem is when theres multiple girls that all want the same guy (it doesnt have to be love, but it usually is), and it doesnt have to be all of them Generally theres a tsundere girl, a shy girl, a moe girl, a quirky girl, an outgoing/energetic girl, an indecisive girl, a clumsy girl, a childhood friend girl, a mysterious girl, an indifferent/emotionless girl, a tomboy/violent girl, and/or a weak girl (either a girly girl, or a girl that has some sort of medical condition or illness) Sometimes, depending on the type of anime, there will be a yandere girl, a loli girl, a magical girl, an eye girl (either she has an eypatch, or wears glasses) and/or a mature girl Usually theres between 3 and 9 girls in a harem anime and each girl is 1 of any of those types (sometimes the types will be combined, so you could have like an energetic clumsy girl or a violent tsundere) - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Well ive never seen any real romance animes (Except for TORADORA because of hanny.... FUCKING HANNY). Maybe the romance is really bad and cliché, but i kinda liked it and also its not jsut about romance, its about so much more!
Its cliche so far (other than the thing i said in my spoiler), but i wouldnt say generic yet, it will depend on how what i said in my spoiler effects the way he interacts with people | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:18 pm | |
| Ya maybe you shouldn't watch this show pat. There's is a part where the show becomes your harem thingy, although its only for a few episodes, i believe you'd have to go through to much stuff you hate before reaching the real good part. As for me, maybe the reason i liked it so much is because i dint mind any parts of the show, so when i got to season 2 it just kept getting more awesome. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:57 pm | |
| Im up to episode 8 now, i actually like this story line - Spoiler:
the one with fuko, i didnt like the drama club story at the start though, and it looks like it might go back to that after the fuko story is over
Ive decided that im going to watch the whole thing, and suffer through the parts i dont like | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:44 pm | |
| - Ive decided that im going to watch the whole thing, and suffer through the parts i dont like wrote:
Thats mah boy But seriously, i loved the whole thing, but from what ive read, Season 1 is apparantly your average romance anime, but its season 2 (after story), that is the part that makes this show special. Because it takes your average romance anime and brings it a whole step further. | |
| | | Serenity09 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:18 pm | |
| pat did you ever finish this? was/is it good? | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:11 pm | |
| No i didnt finish it, im still on episode 11, the tab with episode 11 is still open in my browser
They started the story line (the main story line) i didnt like again after the 1 i did like ended and i ended up watching other anime at the time thinking that i would go back to it eventually and just havent gotten around to it yet | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:38 am | |
| Bacon, why didnt you tell me to watch up to ep 12 you bastard lol, ep 12 makes the terribleness of 10 and 11 worth it
10 and 11 sucked, i stopped after 10 like a year ago because i really didnt like it, but i started watching it again today (i re watched 10 to refresh my memory) i hated both of those episodes but kept going anyway, idk why i kept watching, i didnt want to sleep yet but was too tired to play something, wanted to watch anime but have already seen sao/esp/zankyou and didnt feel like starting a new series and remembered clannad so i went to that
Anyway i got to ep 12 and 12 is really good and not only makes me want to keep watching but also allows me to get over the annoyance of the drama club stuff that im sure they will go back to at some point by giving me something else to focus on during those parts
I will definitely finish watching the whole series now | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:24 pm | |
| OMG SOUND THE ALARM GUYS, PAT IS FINALLY GOING TO DO IT. i recently rewatched a couple of my fav episodes of animes (cant find any good new ones, you should suggest me something, a non-virtual reality game adventure anime) (also on a side note i really couldnt get into psycho-pass even after 12 episodes it was like a little pretentious and had some plot holes, maybe ill do liek you an start it again in a thousand years) (shit i forgot how this sentence started) (oh right my fav episodes or something). Anyways what i really wanted to say is watching some of those episodes reminded me that season 1 has some good stuff after the starfish girl part that is like terribly paced because it lasts 3 or 4 episodes longer than it should, at least it not as bad as the endless 8 from haruhi liek wtf. I gatta stop sidetracking. oh ya i checked episode 12 it was pretty good a nice conclusion to that story arc. And if you want more encouragement, i like episode 16 a lot. I actually rewatch that episode every once in a while because there is actually (believe or not) some nice action in it.
BTW are you watching them subbed or dubbed? And im curious what do you think about the robot and the girl parts. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:42 am | |
| - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- OMG SOUND THE ALARM GUYS, PAT IS FINALLY GOING TO DO IT. i recently rewatched a couple of my fav episodes of animes (cant find any good new ones, you should suggest me something, a non-virtual reality game adventure anime)
I dont usually watch adventure anime, action, comedy, slice of life, and tragedy are the types i like Im trying to think ones that could count as adventure, and i guess Baccano! qualifies, but its not really adventure like youre probably thinking (i.e. magi style adventure) But the rest i can think of youve probably already seen since slayer, me, hlw, or seren have mentioned them in the past Ive also mentioned baccano somewhere before so you may have already seen that too, or decided not to watch it - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- Anyways what i really wanted to say is watching some of those episodes reminded me that season 1 has some good stuff after the starfish girl part that is like terribly paced because it lasts 3 or 4 episodes longer than it should, at least it not as bad as the endless 8 from haruhi liek wtf. I gatta stop sidetracking. oh ya i checked episode 12 it was pretty good a nice conclusion to that story arc. And if you want more encouragement, i like episode 16 a lot. I actually rewatch that episode every once in a while because there is actually (believe or not) some nice action in it.
Yeah i just saw 16, im not a fan of - Spoiler:
basketball
So the action there wasnt anything special to me but it was good - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- BTW are you watching them subbed or dubbed?
Subbed, i almost always watched subbed over dubbed, i did check the dub though and its ok, the voice's in the original are better imo Also at the end of 16 (just as an example) the scene where - Spoiler:
The basketball game ends, the basketball captain is like "you had that look in your eye maybe you can still play after all" In the dub he taps his shoulder and says "are you kidding me" but in the sub its translated as "dont be ridiculous" and i think the latter fits better there, especially with his expression
Its little things like that which make the subs better to me, also subs tend to translate all the text, even unimportant text which i like, dubs will translate the important stuff and that makes you realize that its important which sometimes is bad, ive seen some dubs not even translate important text, like the snow white thing from haruhi which made me watch the sub for that episode - Eat_bacon_daily wrote:
- And im curious what do you think about the robot and the girl parts.
- Spoiler:
I have 2 different theories
1. I think where they are is like a multiverse plane, and each of those lights is a different reality Idk who the robot is, or the girl, for awhile i thought the girl could be fuko and the robot okazaki, and that fuko was okazakis sister, but i dont think the robo/girl as them fits anymore Fuko can sortve jump between realities, somehow, idk how, thats why people dont remember her and how she can appear and disappear, back when i thought she was the girl in the multiverse plane it made more sense The bus accident where no one died seems suspicious to me, i feel like theres a reality where ryuo is dead and that kotomi can see other realities so she broke down because she saw the other reality This theory is both falling apart and is piecing together at the same time so i came up with a second one as it was falling apart faster than coming together
2. I think fuko is in a comma and this is all in her mind as she tries to regain consciousness The robot is fuko and the girl is her subconscious, the lights are her memories/fantasies Everything thats happened are from fukos memories/fantasies, the way everyone forgot about her is her way of dealing with what happened to her that put her in a comma, the fact that she isnt with the others in her memories/fantasies is part of that, she wants to help so she pops into her memories/fantasies occasionally but she knows she cant help since shes in a comma and isnt really there so she cant (this theory will fall apart the moment she pops in and actually helps them out) The bus accident was a memory where ryuo actually did die (possibly she was even on this bus and couldve caused her to go into the comma, she witnessed ryou die before she lost consciousness during or immediately after the accident), but in her mind she fantasized that no one was hurt and ryou is fine And when i say memory/fantasy, i mean fantasies based on her memories, like for example the tragic past of kotomi is all real, but fuko fantasized the part about her getting the bear in the case to make it happier, in reality there was no case, no happy ending to that (the paper she burned probably really was her parents research) She and kotomi were probably best friends in reality, thats why kotomi breaks down like that at the bus accident (going with the part about the real bus accident causing her comma) since there wasnt really a reason for that accident to trigger her response So most of it more or less really did happen, fuko is just giving it a happier ending in her mind (like they probably lost the basketball game in reality but that game did really happen)
The 2nd theory is what im going with until i see fuko help someone, or until something doesnt have a happy-ish ending
I still think fuko is okazakis sister though, in both theories
Originaly i thought they were brother/sister because fukos interaction with okazaki before she was forgotten felt very brother/sister to me You could say the same about nagisa/fukos interaction being like sisters but since they are both girls i can justify that as just being good friends where as okazaki/fuko was definitely a brother/sister thing In theory 1 i thought in this reality, the one we see, okazaki didnt have a sister, but in another 1 he did, and that one ended up in the reality that we see, so it made sense to me that he and the others didnt know he had a sister (because he doesnt in this reality), and fuko didnt remember because of the reality jumping she did, but deep down they know and interacted that way
And now with my 2nd theory okazaki's relationship with his father within fukos memories makes me think fuko has to be his sister because why else would her mind keep going back to that, it only really makes sense if she was living with okazaki His father doesnt even seem that bad, which to me, in theory 2, says that he might abuse fuko in reality and fuko is just ignoring/repressing that part so that when we see their father he seems alright It explains why okazaki hates him even though we havent seen him do anything worthy of being hated for
Hopefully that makes sense, it seems like it might be confusing lol Im on ep 18 now btw | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:52 pm | |
| Ep 19 and 20 kindve ruin my 2nd theory - Spoiler:
The stuff thats said in the robot/girl parts dont support it, and its clearly related to nagisa and not fuko Though the thing about fuko being okazakis sister still holds and is supported in ep 20 when okazaki does that charm thing and walks into the hall, fuko is the first girl that tries to talk to him and he says that he gets the feeling their relationship is far from romantic and he stops her from talking to him
Now im thinking nagisa is the 1 in the comma and she has been since she was a kid and nearly died (shes also the robot), and everything weve seen is what she wishes she had, maybe people come visit her and she hears them tell stories about their life and uses that to create the world we see with the drama club and all that, but it doesnt really work and doesnt explain fuko
The only things im somewhat certain of at this point is fuko is okazakis sister and someone is in a comma and what we see is based on that persons memories
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| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:42 am | |
| so i won't confirm or deny anything you said about the robot and the girl. But i will say you are on the right track some places and TOTALLY off other places . BTW i wouldn't look too deep into it. I remember when i was watching it, from the very beginning i said to myself, *meh, i bet the robot is ___* and i was right lol. Also, maybe coz it was the dub, i didn't really understand all of it and had to look it up. | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:42 am | |
| Damnit Bacon, i am very disappointed, although the very final episode makes up for it a bit - Spoiler:
I thought there would be some deeper meaning to it all, i was looking for a twist at the end, an explanation to fuko's existence/disappearance, something to tie it all together, but no, its never explained, the girl/robot is just a play, its just a straight forward romance anime that isnt even that sad The final episode with the alternate reality was really good though, i wish that was the main story, far more interesting and sad then what we got in the main story Thats not to say the main story was bad, most of the time it was average, with a few stand out moments, but it was still disappointing to me
I will watch after story only because of that final episode being good on the hope that after story will be more along those lines But if it doesnt live up to that i will hold you personally responsible bacon Watched ep 1 of after story - Spoiler:
Nagisa said she wants to properly meet okazakis dad, yet she wouldve already done that in order to invite him to the play, i guess she might not count it as "properly" meeting him for w/e reason, so ok i can overlook that but.. They already played a game of baseball so okazaki should know that he could swing, and tomoyo should know how to swing a bat Its like certain events in the first season didnt happen here or happened in a different way, i cant tell if thats an important element to the story, poor writing or just the nature of being adapted from a visual novel, like the 2nd season is based on a slightly different path of the visual novel than the first season is so we have events that didnt happen now Also the girl and robot are still around so they do actually have some deeper meaning, i dont want to speculate/theorize anymore cause i feel like i will just end up disappointed but it looks like i may have been right about the lights being memories, cause he was talking about formless memories and the ball became a light in the girl/robot world so the "someone is in a comma and this is all based on their memories" theory is still possible
I thought after story was going to be a short ova series, 6 episodes max based on its name, but its actually a full 2nd season | |
| | | Eat_bacon_daily Captain
| Subject: Re: Clannad Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:13 pm | |
| The robot thing goes on and is pretty much only explained at the end of after story.
I didnt notice things not follow up properly, but i promise after story is some good shit. I always look at season 1 as a very average show (just as you mentionned), but after story is where clannad really shines. | |
| | | hlw_rocer Corporal
| Subject: Re: Clannad Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:00 pm | |
| i agree with bacon season 1 sucks compared to after story | |
| | | Pat1487 Moderator
| Subject: Re: Clannad Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:26 pm | |
| Just finished ep 12 of after story and its amazing, i take back my complaints earlier about the drama club stuff from season 1 Ill also say that ive never seen an anime do this before - Spoiler:
Going past the end of highschool i mean, i actually thought i screwed up the episode order and had to double check what episode i was watching when school was ending, thought i skipped to the last ep or something for a minute 5cm per second is the only thing ive seen do something like this before, it kindve reminds me of that with some parts
Also its starting to make me miss the school antics that i would complain about, in a good way And I hope ryou kyou sunohara and the others come back again
I still have some complaints, entirely based around fuko, but ill wait before i start really complaining about it I intend to finish the rest of the series today so there should be 1 more post either tonight, or tomorrow, if there isnt then something interrupted my marathon | |
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